Operation Just Cause...                                                                          ...for as long as it takes
Question: How did you meet Col. Ted Guy?
Answers by Steve Golding: In 1985 while researching my stepbrother's case I learned that a returned POW had spoken to him, but that DOD said there was no correlation to my step brother and they did not state why. I started looking for the returned POW and found out that he was one of the "Ted Guy 8."
Upon Ted's repatriation to the United States, he attempted to prefer charges against 8 former POWs who had collaborated with the enemy. Ted was a no-nonsense commander and he did his level best to bring these former POWs to justice. Through some fellow activists I made contact with Colonel Guy and we talked about my stepbrother and the other returnee. When I first approached him, he told me that they were all home or they were dead. We argued about it often, but there was something about this fiery sonofasoandso that I liked. It was a few years later that I got a call from him at 2 o'clock in the morning to tell me that he had an epiphany--they were left behind and what are he and I gonna do about it. That was Ted. One thing led to another and I worked with Ted up until his death in 1999. He used to tell me that he and I were the 'old farts' in the issue and we became close friends.
We worked tirelessly together and independent of one another. In 1992, I brought him to Prodigy and he discovered a new median to get the message out. We rarely butted heads but when we did it was a beaut, because we are so stubborn and of course we each are never wrong :)
Question: Could you describe what sort of a person was Col. Guy?
Answer: Impatient, let's-get-the-job-done-yesterday. Stubborn. Shoot from the lip. Infuriating. Funny. Supportive. Undaunted. Diligent. Sexist. Human. Outdoorsman. Un-politically Incorrect. Take No Prisoners. American. Friend. Brother. Hero.
Question: Col. Guy was instrumental in the founding of Operation Just Cause. Can you explain to us his vision, hopes and dreams for OJC?
Answer: At first, and there are those that may not like hearing this, Ted really did not think that we would take off the way we did. He kinda/sorta said yes to us because he wanted to get the issue broader coverage. When he saw that we did take off, he wanted OJC to be a little more proactive than we were---remember he was impatient in an issue that he had already spent 11 years (at that time) fighting a very hard and mostly lonely daily fight. He expected everyone to know the issue maybe not as well as he did but at least be able to talk intelligently about it.
He used our membership the way that we do when a hot-item comes down the pike. In the instance I am talking about, it was to restore several measures of the Missing Service Personnel Act and when he saw what we could do, he really wanted us as an organization to get involved to the degree that we made hot-items happen. When he would get frustrated he would refer to us as "Paper Tigers," tell Gunny and I that we have to push the membership harder and one of us, usually Gunny, would call him and talk to him to remind him that not everyone at OJC was up to speed. You've got to remember, the resources that we had and have at OJC is tremendous; many of us are totally versed in the issue--and Ted expected our membership to be as versed without the benefit of the years of experience that some of us had.
That is not to say that Ted was not proud of OJC. He loved this organization. He just wanted us to be able to march into hell for a heavenly cause at 0400 hours on a moments notice. For the most part we did. And when we did, the Colonel wanted more. I cannot fault him for that. I always want more. Gunny reins me in regularly. Gunny reined Ted in regularly as well. God, do I miss Ted.
Ted loved the Yellow Ribbon Campaign and he loved when we would go after the "gummint." He would constantly tell Gunny, Doc, Joe Oliver and I that the black helicopters were gonna land in his back yard and take him away and that he would be damned if we weren't gonna join him. He loved our nation and he loved our form of government. He loved it so much that he wanted it to be truthful to the American People and loyal to those that wore the uniform. This wasn't ever about sedition or overthrowing the USG, it was about strengthening it by being honest and loyal. Who doesn't want those qualities in our government?
Question: Col. Guy believed until 1990 that all the POW/MIA(s) were returned. From that point on he work tirelessly for the return of all the POW/MIA(s). What did he accomplish in this fight and what job has he left us to do?
Answer: How do you list the sum of a man and his accomplishments in just a few words? Well, Ted's greatest accomplishment was his ability to motivate. The few times that some of us wanted to just say the hell with this heartbreaking, heart-wrenching issue, he would fighter-jock us back. He would call, e-mail, and write--whatever it took to keep us from giving in. How do you tell someone who was brutalized like Ted was when he was captive that he can continue this fight, but without me? I know I couldn't.
He was extremely frustrated at the silence of his fellow returnees as a whole and particularly in NAM-POWs. He constantly tried to get them to come out with a statement on the fact that men were left behind and he was extremely upset that they used their charter as merely a social organization until McCain ran for President. He had every intention of confronting McCain in New Hampshire had he lived. God how I miss him.
He also was great when he was testifying or giving interviews. He had major credibility. He also had the credentials that were not easily dismissed. He had a presence and when he debated, he did so without cue cards and could recite stats that would blow his opponent away.
His greatest moment in the issue was the all out effort he made at restoring some provisions to the MSPA--Missing Service Personnel Act--that had previously been routed by John "Generals cannot worry about Sergeants and Lieutenants" McCain.
The job he left us was the job that he devoted his very being to: The fullest possible and honest accounting for all those who could be accounted for--alive or dead. He expects us to get the job done. He demands that we continue in his name or in whatever name it is that will accomplish the job.
Question: What impression did Col. Ted Guy leave on your life? Answer: He was a mentor, a friend, a brother, a motivator, a teacher, and a student. He was all of those and more. He paid me two unbelievable compliments during our years together. I was complaining to him one time about debating returned POWs because after all they were there going through the hell. Well he called me up and he told me that there wasn't a POW that I couldn't debate and slam-dunk. He told me that while the POWs were going through their hell, we the families were going through another type of hell that may have been more hellish at times and it was because of people like me, like Gunny, like Doc, like Joe that those that came home did come home. Americans had kept the POW issue in the forefront while the war was going on and we were continuing the good battle until they all came home. Then he told me I could debate the POWs because I had his permission to do so.
The second huge compliment that Ted paid to several of us was when he was writing to Jason "Moonduster" about the [then] new Operation Just Cause Ops Center. Ted wrote, in part, "Although I do not wish it on anyone, if I had you, Doc, Gunny, Steve and the rest with me in jail in Hanoi, we would not have this problem today. We would have driven the bastards nuts and they would have thrown us all out! " I was absolutely astounded by that statement...speechless and proud.
Have I mentioned how very much I miss Ted?
Question: In this country we make heroes out of athlete and movie stars, Senator Bob Smith called Col. Ted Guy a hero. If you were explaining to a child what makes up a hero how would you describe Col. Ted Guy as a true American Hero?
Colonel Guy was shot down and captured by the enemy during the Vietnam War. While a captive, Col. Guy knew that establishing a chain of command meant certain death and yet he assumed command of POWs that were captured in Laos, Cambodia and South Vietnam and interred in North Vietnam. He adhered to the Code of Conduct and signed a statement only after several years in solitary confinement and after a 17-day beating.
When he came home, although he truly believed that all Americans had been repatriated that could be repatriated, he came to see that they had not and instead of being passive about it, he fought for their return every day until his death.
He could've said, "Hey, I'm tired and I was held a long time. Now I want to spend the rest of my life with the family whom I was taken from," but he did not, he took even more time from them to continue to fight in this unpopular cause, subjecting himself to potential criticism. He could've said, "I served my nation, now YOU carry the torch," but he did not. Rather he said, "Yes I served my nation, now join me in serving it further." He could've turned bitter and said, "Damn this nation, this government and all of you who allow this to continue," but he did not. He demonstrated his love for the nation and for the government and for all of us by continuing to fight--right up until he drew his last earthly breath--to get our people home. He did not seek praise, he did not seek recognition, and he did not cash-in on the former POW status that could easily have propelled him wherever he wanted to go. He sought truth, he sought justice and he sought honor.
In times when the office of the Presidency translates to cheap thrills in the Oval Office; when bad-boy basketball players are rewarded for their antics with lucrative contracts, product endorsement and franchises; when baseball players get away with recidivistic drug use, spitting on coaches and rape; at a time when "stand up" translates to elevating one self from a sedate position, this nation seems to overlook its true hero's.
Ted Guy was such a hero. He is such a hero. He stood up as a shining example of what one mere mortal could do. And it is monumental.
I am switching the last question to here for reasons that will be obvious: "Do you have any further comments to make or do you wish to add anything else?" Prior to Ted's death, Ted Junior was encouraging his dad to get to know Jesus Christ and it was during his eulogy of his dad that Ted Jr. related to us that he got a call from his dad who informed him that "There is something to this God thing." I want to tell you that I am happy that Ted made peace with his God. I truly suspect that the peace has been implemented and that Ted Sr. is now combing the articles of that peace to see how he could get us some divine intervention for this issue. If anyone could get that accomplished it is Colonel Theodore Wilson "Ted" Guy.
Question: If you could record for history's sake one fact to be remembered about Ted Guy what would that be?
How could it be anything other than, "A man is never dead until he is forgotten"
Ted lives on in us all.
GBU & CUL Ted. I do so miss you.
Submitted by Steve Golding
Question: How did you meet Col. Ted Guy?
Answers by Dennis Johnson: We only "met" through emails.
Question: Could you describe what sort of a person was Col. Guy?
Answer: He was always no-nonsense but always took time to answer any questions or discuss any points of view.
Question: Col. Guy was instrumental in the founding of Operation Just Cause. Can you explain to us his vision, hopes and dreams for OJC?
Answer: Have to ask Gunny about that one. When I was trading email with the Colonel it was as an enlisted staff member (long before I got promoted to NCO).
Col. Guy believed until 1990 that all the POW/MIA(s) were returned. From that point on he work tirelessly for the return of all the POW/MIA(s). What did he accomplish in this fight and what job has he left us to do? He made it clear that he believed there was an absolute possibility that men were still alive.
Coming from him that carried a LOT of wait. He was, and is, a driving force behind OJC and our goals. With his support you just couldn't get to place where you could even consider not fighting for answers.
Question: What impression did Col. Ted Guy leave on your life?
Answer: I have always been in awe of the man. The things he survived, day in and day out, for years is something no one can really appreciate without having been there. No one can say with certainty what they would or wouldn't do as a POW. He did more than survive. By all accounts he served every day with dignity and pride. He is a true American Hero.
Question: In this country we make heroes out of athlete and movie stars, Senator Bob Smith called Col. Ted Guy a hero. If you were explaining to a child what makes up a hero how would you describe Col. Ted Guy as a true American Hero?
Answer: Because so many of these "heroes" (sports figures and movie stars) have failed to maintain a standard of high ideals accompanied by actions that match those ideals, we have come lose sight of true heroes.
A hero is a person who makes decisions based on oaths, obligations, and ideals that they believe to be worthy. That is easy enough to do in the common day-to-day passage through life. However, when these beliefs are tested by pain, intolerance, or disregard for these ideals, it is much more difficult to maintain these with truth and determination.
Ted Guy was tested, day and night, for years and his actions always supported his beliefs. The fact that most military men of that time shared the obligations of, "Duty. Honor, Country" lends direct support to his determination to maintain these standards at all costs. In simpler terms, he did more than talk the talk. He did indeed walk the walk.
Question: If you could record for history's sake one fact to be remembered about Ted Guy what would that be?
That he was an honorable man in less than honorable times. Through his perseverance and determination he brought honor to us all. There is nothing I can think of that more deserves our admiration and respect.
Question: Do you have any further comments to make or do you wish to add anything else?
We often say a man is not dead unless or until he is forgotten. We must pass on the history of this man to our children and grandchildren that his deeds and principles be remembered and respected. And we must continue to fight for the answers that we all deserve as free citizens in a free country, made so by the sacrifices of such brave men.
Submitted by Dennis Johnson
From Chuck "Doc" Stewart:
I had both the honor and pleasure three years back of receiving an email message from Col. Ted Guy. If I recall correctly he had come to my site from Gunny's site or Gunny had told him to pay me a visit. Either that or he visited my site first then hit Gunny's. See what happens when age sets in???
Whichever the case, I recall being very impressed with Ted's message. Not only did I feel humbled by the fact that I was receiving a message from an ex-POW but also that he was complimenting my website. I was immediately taken to him because of his views on the POW/MIA issue, our government and our military. I believe it was later that day that I received a message from Gunny about his contact with Ted. That was the beginning.
My memory escapes me as to what transpired between the time of our contact to the time Gunny contacted me with his idea about forming OJC. It was Gunny, Steve Golding, the Colonel and myself who got the ball rolling with OJC. It was from that point on that I was in contact with Ted numerous times each week with questions and such. Ted was always prompt with a reply and accurate with his information.
I grew to have a great deal of respect for Ted and trusted all that he told me. I didn't have to think twice of the info he gave being true and accurate. Normally I try to confirm information I receive but with Ted, there just was no need to. We became net friends over the next couple of years up to the point when he passed away in April 1999.
We exchanged jokes and casual emails quite often. Ted was also a down to earth guy. But when it came to our government and the POW/MIA issue Ted was as stern as could possibly be. This was in no way a joke to him. This was an issue, which he took very seriously, and there was no joking or kidding with him when it came to our missing brothers. I wouldn't even include a joke in a message about OJC or our POW/MIAs. Any jokes or casual correspondence would be sent in a separate message.
Ted was the kind a man that you either liked or you didn't like. There seemed to be no in between. I can assure you that if you took the time to know Ted you liked him. If you didn't know him there's a good chance you wouldn't like him. He was all business when it came to OJC and the POW/MIA cause.
It was a very sad day when word came that Ted was ill. I was planning to visit him in Missouri in August last year when I went to Springfield for my daughter's wedding. Then the very sad news came of Ted's passing. Not only did OJC lose its most valuable asset but our country lost a wonderful patriot as well. I know of no one who loves their country more than Colonel Theodore Guy does. He is missed but he will never be forgotten.
Chuck *Doc* Stewart
Friday June 18th, 2000 was a day I was not looking forward too.
It was a sunny warm day; a day that you would not think such a sullen event was about to occur. It was the day that one of my Heroes was being laid to rest. I could tell from the people that I was staying with that there was a sullen feeling in the air, as we were getting ready. The feeling was why did it have to be this Man? He was one of my Personal Heroes.
Everyone from the NAF decided to meet at 9:30. There was Gunny, Kimmie, Steve, Diane, Dennis and his wife, Rick, Dave and so many others. It was a sight to see GUNNY, yes our own Gunny, in a tie and yes we have pictures. Just about everyone I saw had a POW/MIA pin on his or her jacket, dress, or shirt. Gunny needed a cane so I ran to two drugs stores in the area. The first one did not have any so off I went to the other store and I was told that it was only a seasonal item.
We than caravanned to Arlington, all the cars were packed full of people going to pay their respects to Col. Ted Guy, one of the last unsung Heroes. When we got there, which felt like the longest drive of my life, we were directed to the Visitor Center where transportation would be provided to the Chapel. When we got there, guess what, no transportation.
We all got back in our cars; vans, four wheels drives and some were even on bikes. On the way over we were following a Caisson, I could only think it is for Col. Guy. We were told to follow the White Line until it ended, sort of, how I felt, the end. I could feel the tears start to come, Rick asked if I was ok. I fought the tears back and said yes.
We reached the parking lot and it was already filling up, there must have been at least 75 vehicles there already and we had another 30 minutes before the service even started.
As we were walking toward the chapel, Kimmie on Gunny's arm, Diane on mine, and all the rest were moving along when I heard someone say, "I really don't want to do this," I felt the same way. My knees started to buckle but I kept on going forward I knew I had to do this, if not for me, then for Col. Guy.
When we get to the Chapel there was two Old Guardsman, in full uniform, handing out the Memory Service Programs. I sat in a pew with Gunny, Kimmie, Steve, Diane, Dennis, and his wife and all the rest sat behind us.
I can remember saying that if I don't open the program that means it did not happen and Diane telling me no, that it really did. I felt the tears coming back but stronger this time; I felt two hands on my shoulders. Thanks Rick and Dave, and the "someone" squeezing my hand, my newest sister - thanks Diane. I turned the Program over first, as I still did not want to open it. There was a poem and the poem hit home.
My Dad was also a Pilot, and just reading it now brings tears to my eyes. I finally opened the program, knowing that I was safe with my OJC Family around me, that I could show how I felt and not be embarrassed or feel guilty that I was not being strong. My family members taught me to "Be Strong, don't let them see you cry." I have heard this so many times from other "Kids".
Now this is were it gets foggy. The chaplain started the service and everyone sung a hymn followed by a prayer. Col. Guy's son, Ted Jr., spoke about his dads last days and a couple of men that served with Col. Guy spoke about him too. Again, another hymn and a prayer followed by meditation. Not being a person that is into Organized Religion, I was just into my own thoughts.
On the way out of the Chapel, I noticed one of the Old Guardsmen was flying a POW/MIA Flag. Most of us got back into our cars, some decided to walk to the grave sight, and started to follow the Caisson. When we finally arrived, the gravesite was on an upgrade so Kimmie got on one side of Gunny and I on the other and everyone else helped each other up the hill. There was a full Honor Guard including a lone bugler and a rifle team on the hill. We had another prayer and than a flyover of two A6's.
They then played Taps and it was one of the hardest songs for me to hear. A Twenty One Gun Salute followed. I wasn't to sure who was holding whom up - me holding Diane or Diane holding me, but I know my knees were buckling.
Some of the SDIT Kids found a Card with a truly fitting Poem for Col. Guy. We signed it each with our own message and added:
In Memory of Col. Ted Guy
It was left at the apex of The Wall, along with our Fathers Day Cards on Father's Day.
Col. Guy, even though I had only met you once, I have talked with you for many years. You were one that I would turn too when I felt like giving up on finding the truth. You would give me the strength and the courage to continue the fight to find the truth.
I know you are in a better place now looking down and guiding all of us that continue to find the truth of our POW/MIAs.
I, for one, will NEVER FORGET you or the ones that are not home YET.
Thank you Col. Guy
Chris Rich Ted was all American and all patriot. He cared about what happened to the country he put his life on the line for. He cared about his Brothers who served in Vietnam and about the kids who followed in Grenada, Panama, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and the Balkans. He was a man's man and a warrior's warrior.
I could go on and on and set a new record for the number of tired cliché's used in a single letter, but none of that would due justice to the memory of Colonel Ted Guy, USAF Retired. The truth is, Ted was all these things and more. He was a caring father, a loving husband, a dedicated activist and a tireless seeker of justice for the men and women left behind in SE Asia.
He loved fishing, music and his dream of America recovering its greatness. He talked to me like a son and to Betsy as if she were royalty.
He was immensely proud of his family, his friends and of what we accomplished in the early days of OJC.
Ted was one of the most unique men I ever had the privilege to call friend and Brother.
He was the embodiment of all that was good about this country – honor, courage, loyalty, truth, humor, taste… and a healthy measure of common sense.
Ted did not suffer fools gladly. He had no time for anything or anybody motivated by politics. He considered most politicians worthless but there were some he respected… the ones committed to awkward issues like POWMIA.
Ted always had good ideas, terrible jokes, brilliant suggestions and frank, honest answers. If he was ever wrong about something I never caught it.
It's a year now since Ted's final flight and this has been much harder than I ever expected. It is very difficult to talk about Ted in the past tense. It is difficult to even think about it.
For the last year I have thought of him daily…sometimes hourly. There are others who knew him much better than I did… true heroes like Swede Larson, Mike Benge and Red McDaniel who shared the crucible with him. They can better tell the whole story of Ted Guy - the man, the warrior, the hero.
I knew Ted only a few years but in that time he was part Brother, part Father and part Commanding Officer. Above all else he was a friend and an inspiration. I expect by the time I see him again he will have turned Heaven into an Air Force officer's club. And as long as they let tired old Jarheads in, I can't think of a better place to share a drink and a song. It's a reunion I look forward to.
Senior Ranking POW of the Vietnam War
A Father to Many
Rest in Peace,
Proud son of Capt. Richard Rich MIA/USN